[Teachldsseminary] TEACH: 2 Kings 17-19 (Israel scattered)

Sun Feb 17 19:43:15 MST 2008

I stand corrected by a message directly to me.  I'm thankful for discussions 
like this that help to clarify things for me.

Laurie
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> Maybe I've learned it wrong but my understanding was that Ephraim and
> Manasseh are not the lost tribes.    They, along with the tribe of Judah,
> are the only ones not "lost."
>
> Laurie
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>> Good points. One thing I've been telling my students is that we are
>> descended from the lost tribes and they are their ancestors!  We tend to
>> forget that Ephraim and Manasseh are among the lost tribes and we talk
>> about
>> the lost tribes as another group of people.
>>
>> Also, the prophecies coming up by the OT prophets about what Ephraim will
>> do
>> in the latter days will mean a lot to them when they realize it is
>> prophecies about them!
>>
>> Linda Harper
>> Duncan, SC
>>
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>> Marji
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:56 PM
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>>
>> SOME MUSINGS.
>> Marji
>>
>> Today for the presentation on 2 Kings 16-19 we had an interesting
>> discussion.  This is when Israel is threatened by the Assyrians and
>> the ten tribes are 'lost'.  The student manual has some very good
>> scriptures to use with this lesson, be sure to check there.  One of
>> the scriptures is Deut. 4 - where the prophecy and warning of Moses is
>> recorded, which stated that if Israel did not remain faithful, that
>> they would be destroyed and scattered.  Very powerful to read that
>> prophecy and overlay it on the events of these chapters, because what
>> was warned became what happened when Israel turned to idolatry.
>>
>> One of the students was studying the time period and shared some
>> comments from his textbooks which said that the Assyrians were among
>> the most brutal of all societies in regard to their captives.  The
>> Assyrians were brutal - maiming and dismembering their captives,
>> burning crops, cutting down fruit trees, ravaging the land. (Sound
>> similar, perhaps, to IED's that blow off hands, legs, blind people?)
>>
>> As another overlay, I summarized the Proclamation on the Family, and
>> we discussed how the proclamation is "our" warning, similar to that
>> which Moses gave to the people of old.  At the end of it, you will
>> recall, it says that if the disintegration of the family continues, it
>> will bring upon us the consequences foretold by *ancient AND modern*
>> prophets.  So as we read the warnings and declarations of these
>> prophets to ancient Israel, the students should know that those same
>> warnings have been re-invoked in our day (and there is none to
>> escape).
>>
>> These chapters seemed especially significant to me so we've discussed
>> them for a couple of days.  Not to mention that there is one of the
>> greatest of all Bible humor there.  Hezekiah pleads for the Lord to
>> protect Israel and Jerusalem, and the Lord hears his prayer.
>> (Hezekiah and Josiah were the ONLY two righteous kings to rule
>> Israel).  The Lord promises to defend Israel against the Assyrians, so
>> he sends an angel who slays 185,000 of them during the night.  {"and
>> in the morning when they awoke, they were all dead men"}.
>>
>> Don't you just feel sorry for those lost ten tribes who were carried
>> off by one of the most barbaric peoples ever?  Their great sin was
>> idolatry and the forsaking of the ways of the Lord.  SWK has given an
>> extensive description of modern idolatry, which we should all be aware
>> of and reiterate to our students (OT Institute Manual, vol. 1, P. 128
>> or Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 40-42).
>>
>> Other resources available for this lesson include a summary of modern
>> day commandments and warnings by SWK ("this applies to you and me",
>> "are there enemies who could and would afflict us?" " Have you thought
>> of that?  And I will make your cities waste, and bring your
>> sanctuaries unto desolation,"  "The Lord goes further and says:  I
>> will destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high
>> ways shall be desolate," And I will bring a sword upon you") [see OT
>> Institute manual Vol 1, 189-190, or The Lord Expects His People to
>> Follow the Commandments, Ensign, May 1977, p. 4-6).
>>
>> The above citation is taken from the section on Leviticus 26:
>> Blessings or Cursings: an option for Israel.  The manual says:
>> Leviticus 26 is one of the most powerful chapters in the Old
>> Testament.  The Lord put the options facing Israel so clearly that
>> they could not be misunderstood.  If Israel was obedient, there would
>> be blessed with bounties, safety, and security, peace and protection
>> from enemies."
>>
>> "If Israel refused "to hearken unto me, and will not do all these
>> commandments" then the blessings would be withdrawn, and sorrow,
>> hunger, war, disease, exile, tragedy, and abandonment would result"
>> MODERN ISRAEL HAS BEEN GIVEN THE SAME OPTIONS (see Proclamation on the
>> Family, "ancient and modern prophets").
>>
>> BRMc has a good quote on the scattering and gathering of Israel (OT
>> Institute Manual, Vol. 1, p. 217 or Come: Let Israel Build Zion,
>> Ensign, May 1977, p. 117).
>>
>> Something else to mention is that the State of Israel is very recent
>> on the timeline of history.  Our students have never known a time when
>> Israel as a country did not exist.  But it has been since AD 70 until
>> 1945 that Israel was scattered -- that's a long time!
>>
>> Neal Maxwell spoke in conference of the need for parents to "give up
>> one outside activity" and spend that time instead with their families,
>> as one way to strengthen the family.
>>
>> As I read it (so far), it seems to me that two of the MAJOR issues in
>> the blessing/ cursing prophecies are:  NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY,
>> AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FAMILY.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy and pray for insights.
>>
>> Marji
>>
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