[Teachldsseminary] OT -- Inspiration
jarvismail@comcast.net
jarvismail at comcast.net
Tue Jan 9 08:44:18 MST 2007
Thank you for these thoughts -- I was hoping that someone with another Bishop/ric perspective would jump in.
Thanks to all for their thoughts -- it has given fodder for my sweetheart to think about. I'm sure this will be a trail of this Sister's faith, but it will all be for good in the end.
Sister Jarvis
(Who had a terrific morning with D/C 59 -- one of those days when you want to shout from the rooftops "Yes, they get it!!!!"
--
Sister Jarvis
Marysville Washington EMS
20 Juniors (and 3 investigors)
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From: "Brien Hamrick" <ttloflib at san.rr.com>
> As a newer Bishop (7 months) I'll share some thoughts too.
>
> The power of revelation is a language in and of itself and each time we use
> it we hope it becomes clearer in the direction we receive. I'm not entirely
> convinced that this is always the case as the Lord still needs to lead us
> along in each area by faith. So saying the right thing in an interview or
> blessing may come very easily, while special insight into someone's personal
> problems may require a struggle in the Spirit, prayer, fasting and the
> scriptures.
>
> The bishopric may not fully know why they felt a need to sing a particular
> song or they may know that it directly coincides with a need that some
> person or persons need. We've heard as seminary teachers that when we feel
> the spirit during a meeting we have learned something and sometimes it is
> not along the subject being taught but learn we have.
>
> Someone mentioned letting the songs remain and not sweat the little things.
> Since the song of the Righteous is a prayer, no song should be viewed as a
> small thing. And someone's salvation could hang in the balance over a simple
> song.
>
> The music director should feel as though her inspiration is needed and
> should continue to be nurtured. However, there are several principles that
> are available to learn and teach here.
>
> 1. We don't always know who the Lord will inspire to be in church, and prior
> to that person finally responding the songs were correct but there may be
> someone who needs the other one. I would remind all that Elder Bednar in his
> second conference address on the Tender Mercies of the Lord, that now
> classic talk, was actually inspired by one of the songs sung on his first
> conference as an Apostle. His inspiration for one of the most classic modern
> talks and expounding of a short scriptural reference was music!
>
> 2. The hard lesson is that her inspiration doesn't truly trump that of the
> bishop(ric) and maybe this is time prepared for her to learn that. The
> creeping danger evident here is something like "I'm right about xyz and I
> should not be challenged about it". I realize the doubting of self potential
> as well which is why careful discovery of her thoughts is important.
>
> 3. Sometimes we forget that we don't always have a perfect receptor for
> inspiration and can find times that we need direction as much as we are
> desirous to give it.
>
> I know it is difficult to know where as a Bishop to jump in and where to let
> people receive revelation and there are times that a Bishop must do both as
> hard as either course will be to pursue.
>
> Brien Hamrick
> San Diego - missing EMS!
>
>
>
>
>
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> jarvismail at comcast.net
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>
> Thanks so much. Both my husband and I have served as Ward/Stake Music
> Chairman, and I had the opportunity to take a class from Michael Moody years
> ago when the new handbook was first published (getting training from the
> horses mouth). Yes, this gal is also currently the Ward Music Chair (part
> of the reason for the meeting yesterday was to release her from that
> calling), and has had those callings for over 20 years (okay, this is
> another story). Yes, she does need training -- and this will be a trying
> experience for both her and my sweetheart.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sister Jarvis
>
> --
> Sister Jarvis
> Marysville Washington EMS
> 20 Juniors (and 3 investigors)
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: sjagnana at mac.com
>
> > I have been a stake music chairman as well as conduct music for
> > sacrament meetings, thus I chose the music for the meetings under the
> > direction of the bishopric. In any calling we are to understand we
> > are under the direction of the priesthood from whom we receive that
> > calling and that they may give direction that we are to follow at any
> > time. Your husband might want to have the ward music chairman or
> > stake sit down with this sister, handbook in hand and make sure she
> > is trained in this principle. If she is also the ward music
> > chairman it sounds like she is in need of training. With that said
> > maybe this new bishopric needs some training... no disrespect
> > intended. Allowing stewardship is very important when extending a
> > calling. If they have given this sister a topic or theme for the
> > meeting she should be able to choose from the approved hymnal
> > appropriate (already approved) music for your meetings. I really do
> > not see any need in this situation for micro management?
> >
> > Now that being said, I am assuming we are talking only about the
> > green hymnbook and choosing opening, closing and the sacrament hymn.
> > But IF you are referring to choir number selections, they must ALWAYS
> > be approved by the bishopric! This is where things can really go off
> > in strange places and I have heard some crazy things out there. lol
> > Please have your husband become very familiar with the music handbook
> > of the church. It is very guarded as to what the choir may sing in
> > sacrament meetings. They would rather see us take the hymns and
> > arrange those beautifully than bring in the unfamiliar or production-
> > like or performance oriented type pieces. So if this is where your
> > husband is involving himself he is right-on. And he does not need
> > to be a music expert to do this contrary to what many musicians feel.
> > (you may find a bit of controversy here, but I think the spirit works
> > just fine) It is hard to come in and course correct in this area. I
> > have been there myself and music people in particular do not like it.
> > lol Good luck to your husband. This is the Lord's work and he
> > expects us to guard the experience that others have in the
> > stewardships which he has given us. Hope this helps a bit.
> > God Bless,
> > Kathryn
> >
> > PS your husband asked.... lol
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:27 AM, jarvismal at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > Wise and wonderful teachers,
> >
> > My sweetheart asked me to throw this question out to you, to see if
> > he could gain some insight. He is a member of a newly called
> > Bishopric (about 8 weeks old). He is the counselor over music. He
> > was meeting yesterday with the Ward Music Director. In the years
> > that this sister has held this position, she has never had a leader
> > change the music on her. As of this last week, this has happened a
> > number of times that the Bishop/Bishopric Member has asked that
> > another hymn be sung during Sacrament Meeting. This is shaking this
> > sisters faith (she is a convert, and Taiwanese, so there is a
> > language barrier here also) -- her comment to my sweetheart was, "If
> > I am receiving these hymns by inspiration, why isn't the Bishop
> > getting the same inspiration?" My sweetheart gave her the usual
> > "line leaders" response, but it didn't seem to satisfy this sister,
> > and has caused my sweetheart to wonder what kind of counsel he should
> > have given her.
> >
> > Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Sister Jarvis
> > Marysville Washington EMS
> > 20 Juniors (and 3 investigators)
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